Why was the Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's treasure vault so big?
Rewatching Ragnarok and I just noticed this. Odin having a replica of the gauntlet is presumably meant to indicate he went after the Infinity Stones at some point in the past, but if so...why is the gauntlet the same size at the one Thanos has in IW?
Thanos' gauntlet was only that big because HE was that big. But all the Asgardians (and their hands) are human-sized, so wouldn't it make more sense for Odin's gauntlet to be basically the size of the one in Tony's Mk85 armor in Endgame? Did someone else like the Frost Giants originally make the gauntlet model and Odin just stole it from them?
I'm just slightly confused by this and surprised I never thought of it before
Thanos' gauntlet was only that big because HE was that big. But all the Asgardians (and their hands) are human-sized, so wouldn't it make more sense for Odin's gauntlet to be basically the size of the one in Tony's Mk85 armor in Endgame? Did someone else like the Frost Giants originally make the gauntlet model and Odin just stole it from them?
I'm just slightly confused by this and surprised I never thought of it before
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There's no way Odin would have even known about it.
It’s entirely feasible that Odin knew about it and wanted to project the illusion that he already had the infinity stones to deter thanos.
The most feasible explanation is that the writers regularly fucked up the timeline
If Odin knew about the guantlet then he surely would have known that all the Dwarves were slain, Eitri was permanently disfigured and disabled, and Nidavellir was extinguished..... and he kept that information to himself?
Hela, who was recently freed from her 5000 year (estimated) imprisonment IMMEDIATELY called it a fake when she was touring the vault.
Thor is, what, 1500 years old? Eitri seemed to recognize him.....
Asgard was supposed to "protect" the dwarves.... they haven't checked on them for thousands of years?
Eitri says he made the gauntlet for Thanos and was crippled and all of his friends/family slain after.....
Bad writing. Downvote as much as you want but it's an inconsistent timeline
This does track though. Asgard is also meant to protect Earth but has minimal involvement.
They knew that people understood that the Infinity Gauntlet existed. They could have selected a canonically correct (or forgiving) story line for its origin but they chose not to.
They dont seem to actively patrol or anything like that
Why didn't Thor reply, "well, we're just a deterrant, actually."
Deterrence probably did the heavy lifting; as has been mentioned many times, Thanos didnt overtly go after the stones until Odin was gone (also others like the ancient one).
They also didnt need to physically check on them like you mentioned, because Heimdall would have had the sight to detect any threats at which point im sure they'd intervene. But by the time they needed help asgard was already gone
I still think the best theory is the one where Odin previously wanted to collect the stones for his own purposes and had the gauntlet commissioned as a prototype, but backed off once he learned the cost of the soul stone.
Hela, in this scenario, knows the gauntlet is fake because she has seen that specific one previously and knows it's only a proof of concept that wouldn't actually work.
Thanos, some time well after this but before the Avengers, researches the stones as a possible way to achieve his goals and hears of the device Odin once commissioned. Realizing that it is what he needs, Thanos confronts the creators of the original gauntlet and forces them to fully realize their original vision. After which he betrays and kills them.
Obviously, this is all back-porting from inconsistent writing across multiple years, writers, and films, but mostly captures what we see with the fewest inconsistencies I think.
Thanos had around 4-5 years to do as he pleased without anyone being any wiser, including the creation of the infinity gauntlet.
Thanos had Eitri make him a gauntlet, but we KNOW that he has molds of several powerful items/weapons. Stormbreaker was a mold as well, possibly before Mjolnir was even made, etc...
So he could have made the one in the vault when Hela was still his executioner/before imprisoning her.
It's poor writing. I don't know why you're trying so hard to defend it.
The real answer is that it was just a goofy scene.
In universe we can infer that Odin tried to collect and harness the infinity stones, because we know that Asgard is deeply aware of the Infinity Stones and we know Odin had at least 1 in his possession and knows of the other ones as well. But presumably the soul stone (for obvious reasons) and the mind stone were out of his reach and he gave up and he simply kept the prop to pretend like he succeeded/make people think he has them.
Not being intense or losing my cool at all. Putting in all caps to point what you're ignoring. Losing my cool would be calling you names.
The fact is that they weren't thinking when they wrote the scenes with Eitri in Infinity War. Call it lazy or bad.... they ignored the timeline
That is all
Perhaps "fake" wasn't the perfect word, but in that moment she was still feeling upset at Odin and was particularly dismissive and scornful.
I mean, obviously this is all backported onto inconsistent writing (Ragorak was a fun movie, but obviously didn't put a ton of work into fitting in), but it's the best in-universe theory for what we see.
They just weren't paying attention when they wrote the scenes in Infinity War. They could have just said that the gauntlet was ancient and said that the forge was destroyed for different reasons
1 - No Death in IW.
2 - Thanos DOES NOT do it himself, he actually *does nothing for three years*.
Those credits scenes were little Easter eggs but don’t actually line up with IW.
2. As conceited as Thanos was, is it really that outlandish that he’d say what he said, despite having lots of help?
Those are some very literal interpretations of those scenes that don’t need to be taken as such. Personally I’ve always thought the AoU credits scene took place right before he destroys Xandar.
Not only did he not do it himself, he didn’t move on the stones for three years. The scene makes no sense relative to the movies. And they didn’t even have an outline for Infinity War when Age of Ultron came out. Come on my guy. Get real.
But by far, the worst pre-IW Thanos was Guardians 1 Thanos. A whiny, quick to anger little punk, who Ronan walked all over. But I am sure you have some ridiculous to everyone but you way to talk around that one too.
Do you really need to con yourself into thinking the set up was all amazing? Lol.
I’m not disagreeing with your behind the scenes explanations. All I’m saying is, it is never *explicitly stated* that they’re referring to Lady Death, and it’s never *explicitly stated* when the AoU credits scene takes place. A credit scene for *Captain Marvel* takes place 20+ years in the future. Why can’t AoU’s?
I also never said any of this to say it was some amazing set up for Thanos, don’t put words in my mouth. All I’m getting at is nothing that happens in those credits scenes breaks continuity or anything.
We know they didn’t have the stones figured out either. Tesseract, scepter and ether were not stones when those movies were made. Some stuff you can convincingly retcon some we cannot. Best to just realize they were mostly making it up as they went along and the Thanos stuff didn’t line up great.
But hey at least he did his Infinity Guantlet story in the MCU. Still waiting on a ton of other end credit scenes / dangling threads.
How many different ways do I need to word it for you to understand that I agree with you on this notion?
I am talking to a wall.
I’m really starting to connect with this Thanos fellow.
None of this stuff was planned properly.
Thanos’s wife says he was great with it.
My new head cannon: The idea of a gauntlet to channel the power of all 6 is an old legend in some corners of the galaxy, and the mock up in the treasure room was a present to Borr after stopping the Dark Elves from using the Aether from a larger humanoid race, perhaps the dwarves.
It’s a bunch of stones whose power you have to aim, a gauntlets a pretty logical choice. Although the thought of the facial expressions on the most powerful being in the galaxy trying to direct power stone blasts out of an “infinty crown” does put a smile on my face.
>random Easter egg when no one expected it to be anywhere near this big a franchise
Ragnarok was in 2017, IW was literally six months away. They absolutely knew how big a franchise it was by that point, which makes the decision that much stranger imo
Disney and Marvel don't really plan that far ahead so its just one minor plot point they needed to address in the lead up to Infinity War.
Also in the comics he was part of a prehistoric avengers team and his ego and bluster was well developed in those stories.
So, when Thanos took Odin's at the end of AOU, and it did not work because the gauntlet was real, but the stones were fake, he read the tag and it said "Handcrafted by Eitri LLC. Made in Nidavellir"
IIRC also, i somehow remember that the gauntlet adapted its size to the hand of its would-be wearer.
And that does not make sense.
OP is asking why the fake Gauntlet is too big for Odin to wear himself.
For Odin and The Asgardians, the Infinity Gaunlet was a mythical idea on how to wield infinity power in the universe - so much so that Odin had a (useless) artifact made for his chamber as a symbol of the responsibilities of King of the Seven Rhelms. Think about it - the gauntlet itself is redundant in terms of using the stones; it just a symbol for control. It could have been an "infinity crown".
Thanos is a mad zealot, so he took the myth literally. First, going to Odin's chamber to take the Gaunlet. Realising it was fake, he went to Etri, the only person capable of making mythical objects of that calibre. The fact that the fake gloves may have fit Thanos would have only fed his delusional beliefs.
\-Hela
But, since Frigga talked him out of it, he imprisoned Hela and created the fake version of the Gauntlet as a reminder of how far he nearly went to stop his daughter. For Thanos getting the idea, spies were sent to the places of the most powerful beings in the universe that could stop Thanos before he could get the stones and that is how he got the idea for a Gauntlet to contain them.
I feel like it fills in most of the gaps.